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Artillery spotting
09-04-2019, 09:09 PM,
Artillery spotting
I have a question about artillery spotting. I have two artillery units from the 11th Artillery Division, a Russian formation fighting near Budapest, nearly adjacent to each other. One of the units can fire upon a German occupied hex a short distance away, but the other unit cannot. Why is that? The hex is within range of both units and there must be a subordinate spotting unit if one of them can fire, but why can't the other unit fire? Thanks.
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09-05-2019, 02:08 AM,
RE: Artillery spotting
When you try to fire, what is the message displayed in the bottom lefthand corner? That should give you some insight into why it can't shoot.
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09-05-2019, 08:40 AM,
RE: Artillery spotting
I can't remember the exact working, but it is something along the lines of "target is 5 hexes beyond maximum target range" or something. The number changes depending on the target hex, so even if the target was two hexes away the message is "target is 2 hexes beyond maximum target range".

The unit is definitely not unavailable, is not disrupted, is set up and has all its movement points. There's actually a few units in similar situation, where one artillery unit has been able to fire but a neighboring unit of the same division is unable to fire.
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09-05-2019, 11:58 AM,
RE: Artillery spotting
When you right-click on the unit details what values do you see for hard/soft and their respective ranges?
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09-05-2019, 01:31 PM,
RE: Artillery spotting
Agreed with where Zoetermeer is going - the 11th Artillery has some units with HA range of 1 hex and others that are 10 or 11 hexes. So I am fairly confident the target is a hard target (tanks or something) and one of the units is the 76mm guns with an HA of 14/1.
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09-05-2019, 02:00 PM,
RE: Artillery spotting
Ah ok, I will check it out tonight when I am home. The targets are bunkers and/or pillboxes, so that seems to be the most likely explanation.
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09-05-2019, 08:11 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-05-2019, 08:11 PM by CountryBoy. Edit Reason: spelling )
RE: Artillery spotting
Yep, you guys are correct, it is a 76mm gun with only a HA of 17/1. Didn't even occur to me that it couldn't hit a hard target. Thanks guys.
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09-06-2019, 05:32 PM,
RE: Artillery spotting
We live and learn!  Smile
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09-06-2019, 10:21 PM,
RE: Artillery spotting
That begs the question though, why does it have a hard attack range of just 1? I'm not in the military so I don't have real experience of such a weapon, but surely it could do some long distance damage?
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09-06-2019, 11:17 PM,
RE: Artillery spotting
In theory yes, but try hitting a moving armored vehicle with an indirect fire weapon, using a spotter over a radio.
The ammunition expended would probably weigh more than the target. Big Grin

And combat-values normally also reflect current doctrine.
The 17/1 value would indicate that it's possible to use it as an AT-weapon, but only in dire circumstances and when able to use direct fire.
I doubt that the real-life commanders would consider an armored unit a worthwhile target for a 76mm HE shell, especially in the later war-years. There's usually plenty of more worthwhile targets around.
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