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Standardized unit values
10-02-2017, 03:16 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-02-2017, 03:23 PM by Bioman.)
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Standardized unit values
I was under the impression that with the McNamara unit values all units of the same type i.e. T34 would be the same. I found that the T34's in the alt scenarios for Moscow '41 are rated at values of 17 and 19 but the same units in Moscow '42 are 13 and 19.  In Kharkov 43 they are 19 and 20. In Korsun '44 the T34/76c is 14 and 20.  In Stalingrad '42 the T34/76c is 17 and 19. I realize that the T34/76c units are a variant of the other listed T34's so the values could be different. I just don't understand how the values for the same listed tank are different in the other 3 games.
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10-06-2017, 06:58 PM,
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RE: Standardized unit values
(10-02-2017, 03:16 PM)Bioman Wrote: I was under the impression that with the McNamara unit values all units of the same type i.e. T34 would be the same. I found that the T34's in the alt scenarios for Moscow '41 are rated at values of 17 and 19 but the same units in Moscow '42 are 13 and 19.  In Kharkov 43 they are 19 and 20. In Korsun '44 the T34/76c is 14 and 20.  In Stalingrad '42 the T34/76c is 17 and 19. I realize that the T34/76c units are a variant of the other listed T34's so the values could be different. I just don't understand how the values for the same listed tank are different in the other 3 games.

Bioman,

Well spotted.

I just checked and there has been an evolution of values in the ALT scenarios. Ed Williams has released progressive updates and it appears that we have not gone back and updated for the most recent values - particularly in the earlier games.

As part of the Gold versions I'll do a review (which will be a big job!) and try and get all ALT values aligned with the most recent McNamara release.

David
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10-13-2017, 01:57 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-13-2017, 02:01 PM by Volcano Man.)
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RE: Standardized unit values
Actually, in regards to the T-34, those values are likely correct as-is.

I didn't name the unit components, and in the old OOBs these are all very generic "T-34". In reality there were all kinds of variants of T-34s, not just the T-34 and T-34/85 that everyone knows (the basic T-34 should really be called the T-34/76).

There existed...

T-34/76A M40
T-34/76B M41
T-34/76C M41
T-34/76D M43
T-34/76E M43
T-34/76F M43
T-34/85

...there could have been others.

Most of these variants were only slightly different, but the A, B & C, and D - F are different enough to have different combat values, and these are correctly different between the games. The problem is, as I said, the original OOBs all named them as "T-34" so to the casual observer, it seems the values are wrong, but actually I was using the values of the tank variant that was available at the time of the campaign. Yes, I was that anally retentive when making the _Alt OOB. ;)

T-34/76A M41 should be HA: 11/1, SA: 19/2, Def: 17, Aslt: 11, Spd: 14.
T-34/76B,C M41 should be HA: 13/1, SA: 19/2, Def: 17, Aslt: 11, Spd: 14.
T-34/76D-F M43 should be HA: 14/1, SA: 20/2, Def: 18, Aslt: 13, Spd: 14.

If there is a value other than that those for a "T-34", then it is an error. I would be surprised though if so, because I was extremely thorough (that is an understatement). But then again, I don't know what versions of the files are used, and in some cases (like B44) I updated the OOB many times.
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